Womens' MMA mega-thread

[sammy_scuffles]

Yeah but she's just a girl. Surely she couldn't rag-doll a top 10 ranked, former IBO world bantamweight boxing champion. Even if she is a little bigger than him, he has that all-important testosterone and man-power.

I like how the report makes a point of saying it took seconds for her to throw/arm-bar him. Not even a brief struggle first, she just owned him.

Bantamweight in boxing is 118 pounds if I'm reading right. He's a little guy regardless. I'd back my mother to be able to throw a 120 pound boxing champ with no grappling experience and she's nowhere near the Judo player Rousey is (she's pretty good though!). I have pretty much no problem at all with the idea that Rousey could tool him with little to no effort in a grappling match.

[sleepinbin]

Yeah so Alexis Davis beat Shayna Baszler rather convincingly. She is another one that still has a fight left on her Zuffa/Strikeforce contract, which could see her in the UFC.

Maybe Alexis Davis vs. Ronda next? That would be an interesting fight.

to me, that was an enormous upset. i'm starting to think davis is a lot better than i gave her credit for, but also incredibly dumb (fight-wise, that is to say)

delighted joanne calderwood keeps winning, as an aside. i remember seeing her being brought in to lose in super fight league and kicking ass, hope she keeps improving!

[Ronald_Frump]

Fact of the matter is we haven't really seen her fight any of the really recognized grapplers yet and a fight against Davis or Baszler (Or I'd settle for Coenan even) would be a good indication of how good Rousey really is. Davis is probably the fight you give her next if you're serious about testing her (and you can't get Cyborg to 135).

Rousey by armbar > Tate by arm-triangle > Coenen = loser

......so indicate that! 

ps I'll bet you a bag of "bitcoins"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

.......Ronda would armbar Davis or Baszler in the first round.

Davis confuses me as a fighter. She's clearly got a better ground game than most but she always seems more inclined to stand and bang.

Hence my describing her as a "fool"

[sammy_scuffles]

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think Coenen would beat Rousey. After all, she spent 3 rounds getting mauled by Carmouche on the ground and as you pointed out she got submitted by Tate. Neither of those things should happen to someone who's a really good grappler. The fact that Coenen has a bunch of submission wins in MMA is more an indication of how poor the level of grappling in WMMA has been. And still is mostly, although it's definitely on the improve.

Now I've said it before, Rousey hasn't fought a real good grappler and I reserve judgement on how good her ground game really is until I see it. Tooling someone like Kaufmann doesn't make you a world-beater in my eyes. Tooling Carmouche isn't going to convince me either. She's clearly very good and I can't wait to see her fight someone else who's also very good so we can find out just how good. Sadly that list is pretty small in MMA.

Davis or Baszler present challenges we haven't seen Ronda face yet - someone who can fight off their back and can submit you from guard.

Alexis Davis beating Baszler doesn't entirely surprise me. Baszler's good for sure, but she's the same sort of good Coenen is (I like her more than Coenen but her record is inflated by submissions over weaker grapplers just the same). Davis clearly has some game on the ground but her record really doesn't seem like the record of a top grappler. I honestly think she tends to fight more to "put on a good fight" as opposed to doing what makes her most likely to win. It would certainly explain her standing and banging with Kaufmann like she did.

[Ronald_Frump]

I agree. Presenting these women as potential challengers is all we can do, given the lack of depth in the division. If Davis hesitated, or tried to dance around Ronda, trading punches like she did against Kaufman, she'd get clinched, thrown and armbarred within seconds.

IMHO Dana White needs to make the Cyborg match sooner, rather than later......otherwise, fans will get bored of seeing Rousey walk through people all the time.

Meanwhile if I was working for the UFC, I'd be scouting the world for new talent.

[sammy_scuffles]

I don't think there was much 'dancing' involved in the Kaufmann vs Davis match. And while I agree that Rousey could take Davis down in the clinch roughly whenever she wanted I'm still not convinced she would 'armbar her in seconds' as you insist she would. I mean, you're basically suggesting that Davis is a lesser grappler than Miesha Tate which is rather silly.

Honestly the Cyborg fight doesn't interest me as much as a Davis match. I'd also insist on having Cyborg fight someone else at 135 first. You don't get a title fight your first fight back off a drug suspension in my league, and you have to prove you can make the weight. It would be something of a disaster to book a title fight and have Cyborg turn up and miss weight by 5 pounds. Plus as much as I respect Cyborg's power I'm less enamoured of her skills than I'd expect when I watch some of her fights back. I actually don't think she's got much for Ronda.

[Ronald_Frump]

I don't think there was much 'dancing' involved in the Kaufmann vs Davis match.

My bad.....I meant  keeping it on the feet, as opposed to grappling

I mean, you're basically suggesting that Davis is a lesser grappler than Miesha Tate which is rather silly.

Not really. I'm saying that Tate brought the fight to Rousey in a way which foiled Ronda's gameplan for a while. Trouble is, she couldn't keep the aggression and technique to an effective level and subsequently lost. I can't imagine Davis being so reckless, but if she if she stands off, I can see it being over very quickly. Obviously we need to see it happen for real, rather than just speculate. 

[sammy_scuffles]

For those who haven't seen it the Invicta 4 show can be seen here.

Not sure if that's permanent or not.

[Ronald_Frump]

Thanks for the link!

[Ronald_Frump]

Invicta FC 4 Davis vs Baszler HQ

[Ronald_Frump]

Yeah so Alexis Davis beat Shayna Baszler rather convincingly. She is another one that still has a fight left on her Zuffa/Strikeforce contract, which could see her in the UFC.

Video footage here:

http://www.squeezequeens.com/index.php?topic=169.msg5870#msg5870

[sammy_scuffles]

Rousey sparring with Mousasi? Sure why not!

Size matters. Those who wish to continue to believe that Ronda can tool quality male light-heavyweights probably shouldn't watch.

[sleepinbin]

Rousey sparring with Mousasi? Sure why not!

Size matters. Those who wish to continue to believe that Ronda can tool quality male light-heavyweights probably shouldn't watch.

cool clip

gegard is such a fucking naturally talented fighter, it's a shame he's lazy and doesn't train s&c properly (or wrestling for that matter). fantastic kickboxer and very solid bjj though (iirc he's a judo bb as well, though i could be mistaken), i'd say he's an excellent sort of person for ronda to train with though just from his diversity and the fact that she can't just toss him about the shop - watch his footwork and base in the clip! she's very clearly challenging herself in training with this sort of thing which is cool.

[Ronald_Frump]

lol, you can tell she's getting angry and he's just got a big grin on his face.......

Gegard by "ragdoll"

[jiminy]

Size matters. Those who wish to continue to believe that Ronda can tool quality male light-heavyweights probably shouldn't watch.

Quality male light heavyweights? Has anybody ever made such a statement? 

Weight classes obviously exist for a reason, but at the same time, I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen a short, skinny whipper-snapper lay a beat-down on a much bigger opponent, especially on the streets.