Womens' MMA mega-thread

[sammy_scuffles]

Quality male light heavyweights? Has anybody ever made such a statement? 

Weight classes obviously exist for a reason, but at the same time, I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen a short, skinny whipper-snapper lay a beat-down on a much bigger opponent, especially on the streets.

I'm fairly sure that I remember someone at the old forum suggesting that Ronda would take Jon Jones down and armbar him with minimal effort. It was probably Stewie! 

And of course small people can beat big people, but it only happens when there's a big skill difference, and that's much more likely to happen when the skill levels are closer to zero. Once a big guy learns decent fundamentals he's awful hard for even a skilled little person to deal with. And obviously Mousasi is well past the level of decent fundamentals.

And yes, Mousasi is a great option as a training partner for just about anyone. Assuming  he can be bothered to actually work. 

[crushed4life]

Frank Pozen made this blog entry:

Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dana White offers nutritional help to Cris Cyborg

So when UFC president Dana White is in one of those post show media scrums, one never knows what subjects will be discussed. With a UFC women's division starting with Ronda Rousey vs Liz Carmouche being established on Feb. 23, it's inevitable that he will get asked about future opponents for the champ. Cris Cyborg is just coming off of her one year suspension for using the anabolic steroid stanazolol. Last month, Cris and manager Tito Ortiz claimed that a doctor would not allow her to drop to 135lb for medical reasons. At the UFC show in Montreal, White said he didn't think Cris wanted to fight Ronda. And he said that she will only get that fight if she agrees to drop to 135. Recently, Cris told the Brazilian magazine TATAME that she has agreed to drop to 135. But Ortiz continues to claim that dropping to 135 is not safe and he wants the fight at a catchweight of 140. TATAME reports that at last night's media scrum, White repeated that Ronda vs Cyborg will only happen at 135 and that Ortiz needs to get with the program or the opportunity will simply disappear. He said that sometimes an historic fight only comes along once in a lifetime. And if Ortiz doesn't smarten up, this fight could never happen like Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao. What if Cyborg fights in Invicta and loses? He says this because of course Pacquiao was knocked out recently and the Mayweather fight may not be valuable anymore. Strike while the iron is hot or you lose. White says Cris has to prove herself to get this fight. And he has offered the services of nutritionist Mike Dolce at no cost to Cris. The UFC will pay for his services. Dolce is the man behind The Dolce Diet that is used by several UFC fighters. White says that Dolce is ready and willing to work with Cris. He repeated that women in the UFC is an experiment and it could last a year or last forever. He doesn't know. So he says Cris Cyborg needs to be ready to fight on the UFC's terms. And that means the fight will happen at 135lb or it won't happen at all.

Posted by frankp316 at 12:44 PM

[sleepinbin]

Frank Pozen made this blog entry:

Sunday, December 30, 2012
Dana White offers nutritional help to Cris Cyborg

So when UFC president Dana White is in one of those post show media scrums, one never knows what subjects will be discussed. With a UFC women's division starting with Ronda Rousey vs Liz Carmouche being established on Feb. 23, it's inevitable that he will get asked about future opponents for the champ. Cris Cyborg is just coming off of her one year suspension for using the anabolic steroid stanazolol. Last month, Cris and manager Tito Ortiz claimed that a doctor would not allow her to drop to 135lb for medical reasons. At the UFC show in Montreal, White said he didn't think Cris wanted to fight Ronda. And he said that she will only get that fight if she agrees to drop to 135. Recently, Cris told the Brazilian magazine TATAME that she has agreed to drop to 135. But Ortiz continues to claim that dropping to 135 is not safe and he wants the fight at a catchweight of 140. TATAME reports that at last night's media scrum, White repeated that Ronda vs Cyborg will only happen at 135 and that Ortiz needs to get with the program or the opportunity will simply disappear. He said that sometimes an historic fight only comes along once in a lifetime. And if Ortiz doesn't smarten up, this fight could never happen like Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao. What if Cyborg fights in Invicta and loses? He says this because of course Pacquiao was knocked out recently and the Mayweather fight may not be valuable anymore. Strike while the iron is hot or you lose. White says Cris has to prove herself to get this fight. And he has offered the services of nutritionist Mike Dolce at no cost to Cris. The UFC will pay for his services. Dolce is the man behind The Dolce Diet that is used by several UFC fighters. White says that Dolce is ready and willing to work with Cris. He repeated that women in the UFC is an experiment and it could last a year or last forever. He doesn't know. So he says Cris Cyborg needs to be ready to fight on the UFC's terms. And that means the fight will happen at 135lb or it won't happen at all.

Posted by frankp316 at 12:44 PM

so rousey/cyborg has become a proxy war for the continuation of tito and dana's feud. glorious :/

[Ronald_Frump]

I'm fairly sure that I remember someone at the old forum suggesting that Ronda would take Jon Jones down and armbar him with minimal effort. It was probably Stewie! 

Okay, let me clarify what I meant.

Ronda is quite capable of out-grappling Bones and slapping on an inescapable armbar. I concede that 99% of the time she'd get KTFO, but theoretically she COULD do it.

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[sammy_scuffles]

so rousey/cyborg has become a proxy war for the continuation of tito and dana's feud. glorious :/

Dana's right, letting his champion fight at anything other than 135 would be stupid. Plus there's pretty much nobody else to fight Cyborg if she can't make 135. There's little to no benefit in a 1-shot fight at a different weight, especially if Cyborg wins.

Okay, let me clarify what I meant.

Ronda is quite capable of out-grappling Bones and slapping on an inescapable armbar. I concede that 99% of the time she'd get KTFO, but theoretically she COULD do it.

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Honestly, it's as close to a zero percent chance as can be. Jones is far too big, far too good an athlete and far too skilled for someone as small as Ronda to submit. I'd go as far as to say that I think there's exactly zero 135 pound people - male or female - in the world who would rate a 1% chance of doing it.

[sleepinbin]

I'm fairly sure that I remember someone at the old forum suggesting that Ronda would take Jon Jones down and armbar him with minimal effort. It was probably Stewie! 

Okay, let me clarify what I meant.

Ronda is quite capable of out-grappling Bones and slapping on an inescapable armbar. I concede that 99% of the time she'd get KTFO, but theoretically she COULD do it.

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a 205lb man had jones in a perfectly applied armbar to the point where he popped jones' elbow and the champ *still* managed to escape. if he can pick up belfort and drop him on his head while being armbarred, pretty sure he can do the same to ronda. i think the size and skill gap is too big when you talk about someone like jones - i don't think there's such thing as an "inescapable" armbar that ronda could apply to him, stewie!

[sleepinbin]

Mandatory ronda rousey news post: she needs to realise that while taking fighting advice from nick diaz is one thing, taking PR advice is another. i am super unimpressed with this... starts off making a valid point and then descends into drivel really quickly :/

source: http://www.cagepotato.com/obligatory-ronda-rousey-hate-spewing-of-the-day-if-gsp-wasnt-so-canadian-hed-be-unknown

Everybody keeps coming up to me and saying, 'Oh, do you think if you didn't look such a way, people would like you so much?' I'm like, 'Dude, if GSP was butt ugly, you wouldn't want to know who he is so much.' I think he lucked out a lot that he's Canadian. I love Canadians. They are the coolest, nicest, most patriotic people, and they will support their countrymen no matter what, and I think that's commendable. But if GSP wasn't really good-looking, and really Canadian, he would be really unknown.

I respect Georges St. Pierre as a businessman and an athlete. I don't have anything against him personally. But he's not the kind of fighter I like watching. He fights to win matches. He doesn't fight to defeat his opponents. I lost a lot of judo matches because of points fighters. It was extremely frustrating for me. And when I see that same style being played out in a different sport, it brings out the same reaction in me.

[Ronald_Frump]

Mandatory ronda rousey news post: she needs to realise that while taking fighting advice from nick diaz is one thing, taking PR advice is another. i am super unimpressed with this... starts off making a valid point and then descends into drivel really quickly :/

source: http://www.cagepotato.com/obligatory-ronda-rousey-hate-spewing-of-the-day-if-gsp-wasnt-so-canadian-hed-be-unknown

Everybody keeps coming up to me and saying, 'Oh, do you think if you didn't look such a way, people would like you so much?' I'm like, 'Dude, if GSP was butt ugly, you wouldn't want to know who he is so much.' I think he lucked out a lot that he's Canadian. I love Canadians. They are the coolest, nicest, most patriotic people, and they will support their countrymen no matter what, and I think that's commendable. But if GSP wasn't really good-looking, and really Canadian, he would be really unknown.

I respect Georges St. Pierre as a businessman and an athlete. I don't have anything against him personally. But he's not the kind of fighter I like watching. He fights to win matches. He doesn't fight to defeat his opponents. I lost a lot of judo matches because of points fighters. It was extremely frustrating for me. And when I see that same style being played out in a different sport, it brings out the same reaction in me.

So......what exactly do you disagree with in her statement?

[sleepinbin]

So......what exactly do you disagree with in her statement?

are you kidding, Stewie? ugliness has never been a bar to a male mma athletes being extremely popular, well-known and successful, and to even imply that gsp's nationality has in some way contributed to his success is incredibly disrespectful. if gsp "wasn't really good-looking, and really Canadian" he wouldnt be "unknown", he'd still be one of the best fighters of his generation. also the win/points fighting/defeat stuff is the most frustrating nonsense. it's a sport. deal with it. or watch the gsp/condit fight.

i understand that ronda is probably annoyed at the "but your looks contribute" stuff, but i'd buy that more from her if (a) she herself didnt milk that angle for all it is worth and (b) if she wasnt responding to it with this nonsense that totally buys into the looks-matter paradigm when she's clearly wrong in her example! but no, go ahead and snidely trash a legend because... i don't even know why.

[crushed4life]

MMA Girls fighter Rosanna Garcia answers your questions.

1)  Is it hard to date when you're a female fighter? Do guys treat you differently? Are they intimated?

Rosanna: It's not hard to date because you're a female fighter, anymore than it's just hard to date in general lol. The dilemma essentially comes from dating because being a fighter is a way of life. And everyone trying to be the best knows about the girlfriend/boyfriend curse. If you're training and working full-time, then you simply MUST date someone who understands that you're not going to be able to be there all the time. When you're training for a fight, you're sore, grumpy, irritated, tired, and just generally beat up. And then you have your girl or guy asking you if you want to go dancing? To a birthday party? Really? You're going to bake cookies in front of me while I'm cutting weight? You're mad because I have to train until 11 at night? And now that I'm finally home from getting beat up...you wanna cuddle? Like right now? REALLY?
Lol but that's what usually happens to guy fighters though. Usually. While training for one fight I was dating a few people, and the ones who bothered me the most were the ones who didn't understand that I didn't want to hang out after fighter training. That, hey, maybe I want to go to sleep, because I have to do it all over again, like tomorrow lol.
And on the intimidation side, I think that guys are intimidated. Not cause I can beat them up or anything, but probably because I act too much like a dude. I've tried being slightly more girly, tried to paint my nails and buy women clothes. We'll see what happens.
On a slightly more serious note, if I could define the perfect guy for me as a female fighter it would entail several things:
1) Don't get jealous that I train with guys. That equals an immediate dismissal.
2) Please don't ever tell me I shouldn't be a fighter because I'm a woman. That equals an immediate dismissal after I laugh in and around your face.
3) Let go of about 83% of the b.s. I put you through while I'm training for a fight.
Not too much to ask for right?
http://mmagirls.net/2012/11/20/ask-rosanna-8/

[sleepinbin]

oh ronda. please stick to fighting at let someone else do your pr. she is not having a week where she's coming across as very intelligent - she's gone straight from nick diaz to joe rogan

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/1/15/3880054/mma-news-ronda-rousey-video-sandy-hook-shootings-government-conspiracy

maybe you should get  her into the conspiracy thread in general disucssion, Stewie!

also bloodstain lane is such a slimy little ronda-obsessed shit. ugh.

[Ronald_Frump]

So......what exactly do you disagree with in her statement?

are you kidding, Stewie? ugliness has never been a bar to a male mma athletes being extremely popular, well-known and successful, and to even imply that gsp's nationality has in some way contributed to his success is incredibly disrespectful. if gsp "wasn't really good-looking, and really Canadian" he wouldnt be "unknown", he'd still be one of the best fighters of his generation. also the win/points fighting/defeat stuff is the most frustrating nonsense. it's a sport. deal with it. or watch the gsp/condit fight.

i understand that ronda is probably annoyed at the "but your looks contribute" stuff, but i'd buy that more from her if (a) she herself didnt milk that angle for all it is worth and (b) if she wasnt responding to it with this nonsense that totally buys into the looks-matter paradigm when she's clearly wrong in her example! but no, go ahead and snidely trash a legend because... i don't even know why.

Just because I've so far moderated myself on this forum, I retain a latent penchant for "trolling".....

 

[sleepinbin]

Just because I've so far moderated myself on this forum, I retain a latent penchant for "trolling".....

 

lol, i fell for that hook, line and sinker... oh well! i'm a bit worried tbh by how ronda's been carrying herself lately, all this poor judgement in what she puts out in public makes me think she's not getting the best advice from people around her...

[crushed4life]

I just hope Ronda doesn't join a cult...that would be the end of her fighting career for sure!

[sammy_scuffles]

  Interesting.

Ronda hasn't really put a foot wrong in the PR stakes up until now, but that's a couple of missteps in a row right there.
The GSP thing has to be because she trains with the Diaz brothers I guess, he is lining up to fight one of them after all. It's still a mistake.

The conspiracy theory thing has to be because she smokes with the Diaz brothers I guess..? Geez.