Womens' MMA mega-thread

[sammy_scuffles]

Also, Cyborg apparently signed on with Invicta and will fight Ediene Gomes in her first fight there.

Link

.. see that's the best match we can find for her? Sheesh.

[Ronald_Frump]

I tell you what I'll do with you........let's have a sig-bet.

.....on any future match involving Ronda vs Davis, McMann or Tate to end in a first-round armbar sub.

If they survive the first-round, I'll change my signature to:

"Sammy is awesome, I am lame!"

.......and is they get armbarred, you change your sig to:

"Stewie is awesome, I am lame!"

just for a week of ritual-humiliation, then we can delete it......okay?

[crushed4life]

Dana White Would Have Paid "All The Bills For Her[Cyborg] To Fight In Invicta"

February 17, 2013 by Ben Bieker

How badly did Dana White want the fight between Ronda Rousey and Cristaine "Cyborg" Justino to happen? So bad that he was willing to put Cyborg on contract, pay her fight purse, and allow her to fight in Invicta FC.

"We don't have a 145-pound division, so we're going back and forth with these guys in the deal. So I called Shannon Knapp, who owns Invicta, and said, 'Listen, if I do this deal with Cyborg, can you give her fights over there? I'll pay the bills, and you put on some fights over there till I can figure out how this whole thing is going to go down?' She said absolutely, no problem, we'd love to do it."

White released this information at the post-fight press conference for this last Saturday's UFC on Fuel TV event. It came after he was questioned about the press conference Tito Ortiz had on Friday to announce Cyborg's signing with the all female promotion. Ortiz is the former Strikeforce champ's manager. A UFC contract would have meant that Cyborg would have been a UFC fighter with health insurance and most likely higher pay, and there was the potential to fight in the Octagon if a 145-female division is ever created or if she could make 135. Now Cyborg still gets to fight in Invicta FC, but as White said, it "comes without all the perks of being a UFC  fighter."

All of this would have been done in an effort to eventually coax Rousey and Cyborg into a superfight at whatever weight White could get them to fight. Instead, Cyborg is going to face Edaine Gomes, and if she beats her she will fight for the Invicta featherweight title, which she still could have done if she was under Zuffa's contract. This left many members of the media as perplexed as White.

"So instead of doing that, they chose to not do that – and fight in Invicta. If you can make logic out of that whole f—ing situation, you're a better man than I."

[Ronald_Frump]

And I'm the one who's been banging on about Invicta being the no. 1 place for WMMA.

[crushed4life]

Sara McMann: Every Woman in UFC Owes Thanks to Ronda Rousey
By Sherdog.com Staff
Feb 18, 2013
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Olympic wrestling silver medalist Sara McMann recently joined the UFC, and she believes Ronda Rousey deserves some credit for the opportunity.

Ahead of her transition to the sport's biggest promotion, McMann joined the Sherdog Radio Network's "Cheap Seats" show to discuss Rousey, possible opponents and much more.

On whether she expects to fight Alexis Davis in her debut: "I talked to my manager, and he doesn't seem to think that Alexis is going to be my opponent, or at least they haven't said anything about that yet. That's what I thought. When I talked to my manager, I thought maybe that's why they presented us both as signing with the UFC instead of where they introduced Cat [Zingano] and Miesha [Tate] as against each other. The fact that they introduced us as just having been signed, maybe we're going to fight other people. I don't know."

On fans on the Internet saying she didn't want to fight Ronda Rousey: "Did the Internet, did they give you any mention of I wasn't asked? Or Miesha Tate apparently wasn't asked either? Because that's also another part of the story. ... It's kind of silly because I'm going to fight every single one of those girls. Everyone that's at the 135-pound weight class, I will be fighting. It just really doesn't matter the order."

On Rousey getting so much attention: "I don't care. If you couldn't tell by the way that I present myself, I'm not exactly striving for the limelight. I don't mind it as much, but I really am more sports-oriented. I just like to be great at what I do and I want to beat everybody. That's more my focus. I'm not uncomfortable with being in the limelight, but I'm definitely not seeking it out. If other people want that and that's good for them, then it doesn't bother me whatsoever."

On whether it actually helps that Rousey gets so much attention: "Absolutely. I may not always agree with the things that I hear she does and says, but every girl in the division owes her a thank you for us getting carried into the UFC. Dana White literally said she's the reason why we're in. The stuff that she's done has made all of our boats float a little bit higher in that respect."

On training with Marcelo Garcia: "It was a humbling experience working with Marcelo Garcia. He's just phenomenal. He's one of the most phenomenal athletes I've ever been around, and I used to live at the Olympic Training Center."

On her development: "I consider three and a half years still fairly new at a sport, considering I did wrestling for like 16 years before that. I think that really, the fighter I'm going to be is kind of unfolding to me. I don't know exactly what things I'm always going to take to and what things are going to go really well with my style. Sometimes I'm really surprised at things that come really natural in training."

[crushed4life]

[crushed4life]

Preview of tonight's HBO Real Sports segment on Ronda Rousey:

http://www.mmamania.com/2013/2/19/4000800/hbo-real-sports-ronda-rousey-video-online-episode-preview-ufc-157

[sammy_scuffles]

Now you're talking crazy-talk Stewie! I'm not saying I don't think Ronda would be favourite against any of those three girls. I think she deservedly would be. But then I think she'd should be a solid favourite against Cyborg too. If I followed your logic that would mean she shouldn't fight anyone ever.

My point is that these fighters as questions she hasn't answered yet, so make the fights and let her answer them.

You've mostly avoided addressing any points I've made so I'll go with direct questions:

Do you think Ronda has fought anyone with a better (bottom) ground game than Davis?
Do you think Ronda has fought anyone with better takedown defense than McMann?
Do you think Cyborg has either a) a better ground game off her back than Davis or b) better takedown defense than McMann, because if the answer is no to both then what makes you think she's not just more armbar-bait?

In other news, if there really was an offer on the table for Cyborg to hold a UFC contract and fight at 145 in Invicta then Cyborg and / or Tito Ortiz are the dumbest pair in the history of sport. Saying no to that and then signing for Invicta anyway is absolutely ridiculous.

Also, Liz Carmouche must be about the most overlooked title challenger in the history of sport. I don't think she has much chance any more than the next person but I gotta say I'm going to have a chuckle if she manages to find a win somewhere

[Ronald_Frump]

Now you're talking crazy-talk Stewie! I'm not saying I don't think Ronda would be favourite against any of those three girls. I think she deservedly would be. But then I think she'd should be a solid favourite against Cyborg too. If I followed your logic that would mean she shouldn't fight anyone ever.

I singled-out Christiane because she's the only game in town that WMMA fans are psyched for. Her aggressive style and man-like power are qualities only she can bring to the table. At least a Rousey vs Cyborg matchup would give Dana chance to recruit credible competition for future UFC bouts.

I can remember watching the old super-fights like Rumble in the Jungle/Thrilla in manilla.  This is the closest WMMA can get to that sort of thing.

You've mostly avoided addressing any points I've made so I'll go with direct questions:

Do you think Ronda has fought anyone with a better (bottom) ground game than Davis?
Do you think Ronda has fought anyone with better takedown defense than McMann?
Do you think Cyborg has either a) a better ground game off her back than Davis or b) better takedown defense than McMann, because if the answer is no to both then what makes you think she's not just more armbar-bait?

• Not that I'm aware of, but he's beaten competitors with Olympic-level submission skills and trains daily against men with a BJJ background. Ronda's newaza > Davis' bottom-game.
• Probably not, but TDD is more applicable to shoot-attempts, rather than Judo trips/throws. The wrestling background is more suited to Sarah taking-down Ronda......
• No, but she's got more of a puncher's/kicker's chance, with her wild unorthodox style.

......well I thought that "sig-bet" was funny, even if nobody else round here has a sense of humour.......    

[sammy_scuffles]

I tend to disagree with all three of your points to a degree.

Not that I'm aware of, but he's beaten competitors with Olympic-level submission skills and trains daily against men with a BJJ background. Ronda's newaza > Davis' bottom-game.

Judo submissions come exclusively from the top / from dominant positions. Guard isn't a thing in Judo - if you're on your back you're losing and you're not able to choose to enter Newaza - and if you're on top and you're not in a dominant position you simply elect to stand back up. I've said it before, submission skills don't win Judo tournaments, and Judo rules make the Judo ground game a lot less intricate than BJJ. Also, if you think that Davis doesn't train with solid male grapplers too then you'd be wrong.

You state that Ronda can deal with Davis' ground game like it's a fact but in reality nothing about what she's done so far actually proves that. So I want to see it.

Probably not, but TDD is more applicable to shoot-attempts, rather than Judo trips/throws. The wrestling background is more suited to Sarah taking-down Ronda......

Wrestling isn't just about double-legs and single legs, there's plenty of clinch work involved as well and to get as far as McMann did in wrestling you have to be able to deal with that. In mens MMA quality Judo guys don't tend to throw quality wrestlers all over the place, there's no reason to simply assume it would be the case if Rousey fought McMann. You say "Of course she can", I say "show me".

No, but she's got more of a puncher's/kicker's chance, with her wild unorthodox style.

To the best of my knowledge Cyborg hasn't really flashed one-punch power and even when she's totally outclassed and outmuscled people they've taken plenty of shots before the finish. If she can't stay standing long enough to beat Ronda up and she can't submit her on the ground then she can't win.

At least a Rousey vs Cyborg matchup would give Dana chance to recruit credible competition for future UFC bouts.

How? Making this fight isn't going to magically make a decent bunch of 145ers appear to fight Cyborg, and you've already signed the best 135ers you can find.

I can remember watching the old super-fights like Rumble in the Jungle/Thrilla in manilla.  This is the closest WMMA can get to that sort of thing.

I don't understand the obsession with superfights in mens MMA and I certainly don't understand it in WMMA. We don't need one fight, we need ten fights. Invicta hasn't had a superfight and it has a solid enough fanbase to crash payment servers. All the UFC has to do is put together a bunch of quality fights and get a legit division going. If they have fights turn out as well as some of the Invicta fights then people are going to enjoy them. If Rousey loses the title then there won't be a womens match headlining a PPV for a while, but that's fine too - title fights can co-main with mens title matches with any kind of reasonable scheduling. That might happen even if Ronda keeps the title - it's what I'd be doing anyway.

If Rousey and Santos both win their next three fights then line them up. People will have forgotten the whole drug-cheat thing by then (Although Ronda is certainly going to remind everyone) and more people will know who they both are. Until then you establish the 135s and Cyborg can beat up mediocre fighters like Gomes and look tough.

[Ronald_Frump]

I started to answer each point, then accidentally closed the reply page, whilst searching for funny Stewie pics, to support my Shakespearean quotes.

I can't be arsed to wade through it all again.

As for the last point re. "Superfights"...... Stallone built a huge franchise on the back of the "Rocky" movies. Believe me..... Superfights sell super amounts of PPV.

[sleepinbin]

As for the last point re. "Superfights"...... Stallone built a huge franchise on the back of the "Rocky" movies. Believe me..... Superfights sell super amounts of PPV.

i promise you that ronda vs cyborg would struggle to shift ppv buys. we're still living in a world where tate v zingano was bumped off a card (Sweden) because the audience was squeamish. wmma is niche right now and ronda vs anyone would sell 99% as well as ronda vs cyborg. i've explained why earlier in the thread. the ufc would like her but really, really don't need her.

[Ronald_Frump]

As for the last point re. "Superfights"...... Stallone built a huge franchise on the back of the "Rocky" movies. Believe me..... Superfights sell super amounts of PPV.

i promise you that ronda vs cyborg would struggle to shift ppv buys. we're still living in a world where tate v zingano was bumped off a card (Sweden) because the audience was squeamish. wmma is niche right now and ronda vs anyone would sell 99% as well as ronda vs cyborg. i've explained why earlier in the thread. the ufc would like her but really, really don't need her.

I meant within the context of the MMA-fanbase. IMHO even non-WMMA UFC fans would love to see these two. It'd be like She-Hulk vs Wonder Woman for comic-book fans.

[crushed4life]

Hidden camera footage of Stewie watching WMMA!

[Ronald_Frump]

That is so funny and because I've not seen it before, you get 10 karma off me.....